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		<title>By: Robert Altman</title>
		<link>http://storyfix.com/a-guest-post-by-james-n-frey-you-wont-want-to-miss-this/comment-page-1#comment-1859</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Altman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 06:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome post :) I can&#039;t wait for the madness to begin!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome post <img src='http://storyfix.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I can&#8217;t wait for the madness to begin!</p>
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		<title>By: Previews of Coming Storyfix Attractions</title>
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		<dc:creator>Previews of Coming Storyfix Attractions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bring a unique perspective on both process and product.  If you haven&#8217;t read the articles by Jim Frey, Jennie Shortridge or April Henry here on Storyfix, then you&#8217;ve missed something [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] bring a unique perspective on both process and product.  If you haven&#8217;t read the articles by Jim Frey, Jennie Shortridge or April Henry here on Storyfix, then you&#8217;ve missed something [...]</p>
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		<title>By: J C Garner</title>
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		<dc:creator>J C Garner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best $10 I ever spent! Thanks for paying it forward. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best $10 I ever spent! Thanks for paying it forward. <img src='http://storyfix.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mr.Carrot19</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr.Carrot19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you do have a choice of surgeon or hospital, ask the surgeon the following questions: What are your qualifications? ,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you do have a choice of surgeon or hospital, ask the surgeon the following questions: What are your qualifications? ,</p>
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		<title>By: Shirls</title>
		<link>http://storyfix.com/a-guest-post-by-james-n-frey-you-wont-want-to-miss-this/comment-page-1#comment-686</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Larry that is an enormous help. I was getting a bit torn up about it. Yes, now I can see that it will work very nicely into my design. Hey, this structuring is pretty hard work, but a whole lot better than getting to Chapter 7 and having nowhere to go!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Larry that is an enormous help. I was getting a bit torn up about it. Yes, now I can see that it will work very nicely into my design. Hey, this structuring is pretty hard work, but a whole lot better than getting to Chapter 7 and having nowhere to go!</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
		<link>http://storyfix.com/a-guest-post-by-james-n-frey-you-wont-want-to-miss-this/comment-page-1#comment-685</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Shirls - your question is a good one, and one that haunts many, especially as you immerse yourself into this structural stuff.  Plunging your protag into peril early can be part of the set-up.  The degree of peril or danger isn&#039;t what defines the plot point at all.  Rather, the plot point is a major change in the story that introduces and begins the main character&#039;s quest/need going forward.  Doesn&#039;t mean they aren&#039;t already on a quest prior to that.

Rent the film &quot;Collateral Damage&quot; (Jamie Foxx, Tom Cruise) for a great example.  At about the 12% mark (too early for the plot point), something huge happens (a murder) that places Jamie Foxx (the hero) into great peril.  Looks and smells just like a plot point.  Then, at the proper spot for the plot point (22%), the story takes another twist, and it happens just with a conversation.  The nature of that conversation defines Foxx&#039;s plight and need going forward, and ratchets up the tension even more.  

I&#039;ve said the the FPP is the first full frontal view of the story&#039;s conflict, one that launches the hero down a new path.  But don&#039;t be seduced, anything can comprise the setup, including stuff that is huge and seems to be a plot point.  In fact, it would be a plot point had it occured at the right point.  But... the real plot point has a larger mission that just being big, it&#039;s the thing that changes everything (perhaps again) for the hero.

What Frey&#039;s going for is really more of a hook than a plot point.  And frankly, I can&#039;t say for sure if Frey even gets or ascribes to the theory of Plot Points (a theory that proves itself over and over).  Using a plot point, as described here, will ALWAYS make your story better.  Using a killer hook, as described by Frey, will also ALWAYS make your story better, provided the story can handle something that dark (not all stories are dark, some are romantic comedies, etc.).

Hope this helps, Shirls.   L.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Shirls &#8211; your question is a good one, and one that haunts many, especially as you immerse yourself into this structural stuff.  Plunging your protag into peril early can be part of the set-up.  The degree of peril or danger isn&#8217;t what defines the plot point at all.  Rather, the plot point is a major change in the story that introduces and begins the main character&#8217;s quest/need going forward.  Doesn&#8217;t mean they aren&#8217;t already on a quest prior to that.</p>
<p>Rent the film &#8220;Collateral Damage&#8221; (Jamie Foxx, Tom Cruise) for a great example.  At about the 12% mark (too early for the plot point), something huge happens (a murder) that places Jamie Foxx (the hero) into great peril.  Looks and smells just like a plot point.  Then, at the proper spot for the plot point (22%), the story takes another twist, and it happens just with a conversation.  The nature of that conversation defines Foxx&#8217;s plight and need going forward, and ratchets up the tension even more.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said the the FPP is the first full frontal view of the story&#8217;s conflict, one that launches the hero down a new path.  But don&#8217;t be seduced, anything can comprise the setup, including stuff that is huge and seems to be a plot point.  In fact, it would be a plot point had it occured at the right point.  But&#8230; the real plot point has a larger mission that just being big, it&#8217;s the thing that changes everything (perhaps again) for the hero.</p>
<p>What Frey&#8217;s going for is really more of a hook than a plot point.  And frankly, I can&#8217;t say for sure if Frey even gets or ascribes to the theory of Plot Points (a theory that proves itself over and over).  Using a plot point, as described here, will ALWAYS make your story better.  Using a killer hook, as described by Frey, will also ALWAYS make your story better, provided the story can handle something that dark (not all stories are dark, some are romantic comedies, etc.).</p>
<p>Hope this helps, Shirls.   L.</p>
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		<title>By: Shirls</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shirls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry, perhaps you can explain something to me, if you will. I managed to get a copy of James Frey&#039;s &quot;How to Write a Damn Good Novel&quot; which was great, but I&#039;m having difficulty in reconciling his advice about plunging you lead character into terrible trouble immediately with the set up portion as defined in story structure. Maybe I&#039;ve got it wrong? I understood from your articles that the terrible trouble should come at the first plot point i.e. at the 25th percentile?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry, perhaps you can explain something to me, if you will. I managed to get a copy of James Frey&#8217;s &#8220;How to Write a Damn Good Novel&#8221; which was great, but I&#8217;m having difficulty in reconciling his advice about plunging you lead character into terrible trouble immediately with the set up portion as defined in story structure. Maybe I&#8217;ve got it wrong? I understood from your articles that the terrible trouble should come at the first plot point i.e. at the 25th percentile?</p>
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		<title>By: JV</title>
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		<dc:creator>JV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 12:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Frey&#039;s profound Blood on the Forehead deserved being put to the acid test. I read it aloud. Doing so emphasized the strength in each chosen word, the ultimate result of fine sentence structure. What a mentor! I can pace him. JV</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Frey&#8217;s profound Blood on the Forehead deserved being put to the acid test. I read it aloud. Doing so emphasized the strength in each chosen word, the ultimate result of fine sentence structure. What a mentor! I can pace him. JV</p>
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		<title>By: poch</title>
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		<dc:creator>poch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to you both for revealing the ugly reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to you both for revealing the ugly reality.</p>
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