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		<title>By: Tony McFadden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony McFadden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m probably echoing many other comments here saying how valuable these posts are, but I don&#039;t have time to read them all to check.  I&#039;ve just finished reading Story Structure Demystified and am in the middle of some major renovations.

Thanks, Larry.  You&#039;re a gold mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m probably echoing many other comments here saying how valuable these posts are, but I don&#8217;t have time to read them all to check.  I&#8217;ve just finished reading Story Structure Demystified and am in the middle of some major renovations.</p>
<p>Thanks, Larry.  You&#8217;re a gold mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much, Larry. I finally finished my beat sheet, and I can finally see the completion of my book within reach. I have been writing &quot;In circles&quot; for 4-years now, and I know know, with confidence, that I have moved past this confusion. 
I will be following your advice, and I hope that I can use it to make my story &quot;Better than perfect&quot;. 
I hope one day soon that I will be able to capture the feeling you described about getting your first copy in the mail. If that day ever comes for me, I would expect that when I open it, I will be able to see these words: special thanks to Larry Brooks at Storyfix.com

Your simplicity has been worth more to me than gold; your no B.S. approach is just what a guy like me needed.

I can&#039;t thank you enough for sharing your knoweledge.

-Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much, Larry. I finally finished my beat sheet, and I can finally see the completion of my book within reach. I have been writing &#8220;In circles&#8221; for 4-years now, and I know know, with confidence, that I have moved past this confusion.<br />
I will be following your advice, and I hope that I can use it to make my story &#8220;Better than perfect&#8221;.<br />
I hope one day soon that I will be able to capture the feeling you described about getting your first copy in the mail. If that day ever comes for me, I would expect that when I open it, I will be able to see these words: special thanks to Larry Brooks at Storyfix.com</p>
<p>Your simplicity has been worth more to me than gold; your no B.S. approach is just what a guy like me needed.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t thank you enough for sharing your knoweledge.</p>
<p>-Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samantha Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Larry. I tend to keep my chapters short and end them with cliffhangers. I like that in books I read too.

Also, I wanted to let you know I gave you the One Lovely Blog award today. Thanks for all the great writing advice you provide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Larry. I tend to keep my chapters short and end them with cliffhangers. I like that in books I read too.</p>
<p>Also, I wanted to let you know I gave you the One Lovely Blog award today. Thanks for all the great writing advice you provide.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bruce -- as always, great input, significant value-add, and much appreciated.  L.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bruce &#8212; as always, great input, significant value-add, and much appreciated.  L.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nancy -- mhy opinion: there&#039;s no real difference.  If four parts makes sense, then that&#039;s the best and only reason to announce (through sub-title pages) four &quot;parts&quot; to your story (of course, architecturally there should always be four parts, but that&#039;s a different context).  So make the call based on how the story breaks down.  Chapters, the shorter the better (within reason, and with natural affinity for the scenes within them), allow readers to &quot;chunk&quot; their reading experience without stopping in the middle of something; &quot;parts&quot; don&#039;t offer that, for that reason.  Hope this helps.  L.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nancy &#8212; mhy opinion: there&#8217;s no real difference.  If four parts makes sense, then that&#8217;s the best and only reason to announce (through sub-title pages) four &#8220;parts&#8221; to your story (of course, architecturally there should always be four parts, but that&#8217;s a different context).  So make the call based on how the story breaks down.  Chapters, the shorter the better (within reason, and with natural affinity for the scenes within them), allow readers to &#8220;chunk&#8221; their reading experience without stopping in the middle of something; &#8220;parts&#8221; don&#8217;t offer that, for that reason.  Hope this helps.  L.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce H. Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce H. Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My take is that chapters are a navigational convenience more than anything else. On the other hand, I tend to read by chapters since I find they are usually a break-point between scenes.

Steve Manning (writeabooknow.com) recommends the equivalent of 10 pages. At about 320 words per page, that&#039;s... 3,200 words. Why? A reader reaches the end of a chapter. If he&#039;s interested, he can peek ahead. &quot;How long is the next chapter?&quot; Oh, 10 pages (4-5 page turns). &quot;I&#039;ll do another chapter.&quot; Pretty soon he&#039;s cursing the author for &quot;making&quot; him stay up all night reading his d*n book.

While writing my Sorcerer novels, I was posting a chapter per week. The site admin recommended chapters about 3,000 words long. So, I just wrote a bit of Word code to look from the current postion to the start of the current chapter and show the word count. If was close to 3,000, say +- 200 and the last scene was done, that was it for the chapter. This is a different proposition from writing the entire novel before publication.

Chapters should probably be among the last structure artifacts you do. Get the scenes and everything else done first.

Re templates: Get Larry&#039;s ebook on Story Structure. That gives you the structure you need to work towards.

One of us hardy souls might develop a checklist and save as a template. It would have things you need such as: genre, type (short story, novella, novel, etc.), the high concept, develop story world, develop main characters, develop scenes, etc. This is simply a list of points you need to have in.

As an artist, you can start pretty much anywhere. Could be a character idea. A story world idea. A plot concept. Hopefully you keep those in a journal somewhere.

Larry&#039;s posted elsewhere about generic story deconstruction (The Most Powerful Two Hours You’ll Ever Spend as a Storyteller). You could save that as a template.

Start small, build to large. Maybe start with your elevator speech, build up to a potential back-cover/dust-cover blurb, an agent sysnopsis, and then more from there. Probably should have a pretty detailed synopsis done even before you start looking at scenes. Have Plot Point 1, Pinch Point 1, etc., identified in there. The scenes should fall out from there -- could use a mind-mapping program, a Word outline or Excel, index or post-its on a board, etc., to tweak those in.

Do artistic stuff as you do the requirements and design. Especially work out the high concept. Do the design right (which will have the major structure in place), then you can actually start the writing itself with all the artistic license you wish while staying within the design you&#039;ve created. If things take off in a different direction, either re-visit the design or take control.

Note if you have an outline/blueprint of the scenes, you can write in any sequence. You could do a Plot Point, the second Pinch Point or whatever. You have a good idea what they should contain and where they go because you&#039;ve designed it that way.

After a couple copyedits and proofing edits, then you can create the chapters.

Go write something!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My take is that chapters are a navigational convenience more than anything else. On the other hand, I tend to read by chapters since I find they are usually a break-point between scenes.</p>
<p>Steve Manning (writeabooknow.com) recommends the equivalent of 10 pages. At about 320 words per page, that&#8217;s&#8230; 3,200 words. Why? A reader reaches the end of a chapter. If he&#8217;s interested, he can peek ahead. &#8220;How long is the next chapter?&#8221; Oh, 10 pages (4-5 page turns). &#8220;I&#8217;ll do another chapter.&#8221; Pretty soon he&#8217;s cursing the author for &#8220;making&#8221; him stay up all night reading his d*n book.</p>
<p>While writing my Sorcerer novels, I was posting a chapter per week. The site admin recommended chapters about 3,000 words long. So, I just wrote a bit of Word code to look from the current postion to the start of the current chapter and show the word count. If was close to 3,000, say +- 200 and the last scene was done, that was it for the chapter. This is a different proposition from writing the entire novel before publication.</p>
<p>Chapters should probably be among the last structure artifacts you do. Get the scenes and everything else done first.</p>
<p>Re templates: Get Larry&#8217;s ebook on Story Structure. That gives you the structure you need to work towards.</p>
<p>One of us hardy souls might develop a checklist and save as a template. It would have things you need such as: genre, type (short story, novella, novel, etc.), the high concept, develop story world, develop main characters, develop scenes, etc. This is simply a list of points you need to have in.</p>
<p>As an artist, you can start pretty much anywhere. Could be a character idea. A story world idea. A plot concept. Hopefully you keep those in a journal somewhere.</p>
<p>Larry&#8217;s posted elsewhere about generic story deconstruction (The Most Powerful Two Hours You’ll Ever Spend as a Storyteller). You could save that as a template.</p>
<p>Start small, build to large. Maybe start with your elevator speech, build up to a potential back-cover/dust-cover blurb, an agent sysnopsis, and then more from there. Probably should have a pretty detailed synopsis done even before you start looking at scenes. Have Plot Point 1, Pinch Point 1, etc., identified in there. The scenes should fall out from there &#8212; could use a mind-mapping program, a Word outline or Excel, index or post-its on a board, etc., to tweak those in.</p>
<p>Do artistic stuff as you do the requirements and design. Especially work out the high concept. Do the design right (which will have the major structure in place), then you can actually start the writing itself with all the artistic license you wish while staying within the design you&#8217;ve created. If things take off in a different direction, either re-visit the design or take control.</p>
<p>Note if you have an outline/blueprint of the scenes, you can write in any sequence. You could do a Plot Point, the second Pinch Point or whatever. You have a good idea what they should contain and where they go because you&#8217;ve designed it that way.</p>
<p>After a couple copyedits and proofing edits, then you can create the chapters.</p>
<p>Go write something!</p>
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		<title>By: nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As soon as I read this post I began to worry about my character development chapter.  I love this chapter but feared it might be as weak as you say.  So I went back in and raised the stakes, asking myself:  what in this chapter would he be willing to die for.  What an improvement.  Thanks for your inspiration.

Now a psychological question:  I have 40 chapters among 4 sections:  Congo, Frankfurt, DC, Nassau.  Would it be easier on the reader to have 4 sets of 1-10 or 40 chapters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As soon as I read this post I began to worry about my character development chapter.  I love this chapter but feared it might be as weak as you say.  So I went back in and raised the stakes, asking myself:  what in this chapter would he be willing to die for.  What an improvement.  Thanks for your inspiration.</p>
<p>Now a psychological question:  I have 40 chapters among 4 sections:  Congo, Frankfurt, DC, Nassau.  Would it be easier on the reader to have 4 sets of 1-10 or 40 chapters?</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Shane -- not much of a software guy, so I can&#039;t comment on Patrick&#039;s reply, other than to say if Patrick said it, I buy into it. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Shane &#8212; not much of a software guy, so I can&#8217;t comment on Patrick&#8217;s reply, other than to say if Patrick said it, I buy into it. <img src='http://storyfix.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again i think that you have some sort of precognitive ability and know exactly what i need to know next as i move on in my writing career.  i&#039;m brainstorming scenes and plot points and was trying to figure out how everything needs to be put together, as this one doesn&#039;t come as naturally as my first did.   Breaking things down into scenes this way will really let me figure out what needs to be focused on for that section.  Best birthday present i&#039;ve gotten was this post in my inbox when i got home.   (although my wife is going to order your new book for me tonight...)   ;)

@Shane  i&#039;ve got ywriter, and it isn&#039;t visual.  The only visual one that i saw that might work for me was liquidstorybinder.  Not that expensive, and they give you a 30 day trial with pretty much the full version iirc.  i personally go with Notepad++ (more a code editor than writing tool, but i&#039;m used to it from my job) for all my notes along with photoshop and my cheap graphics tablet (about $50) for any mindmapping or whiteboarding, and Word or openoffice for my drafting.  Hope that helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again i think that you have some sort of precognitive ability and know exactly what i need to know next as i move on in my writing career.  i&#8217;m brainstorming scenes and plot points and was trying to figure out how everything needs to be put together, as this one doesn&#8217;t come as naturally as my first did.   Breaking things down into scenes this way will really let me figure out what needs to be focused on for that section.  Best birthday present i&#8217;ve gotten was this post in my inbox when i got home.   (although my wife is going to order your new book for me tonight&#8230;)   <img src='http://storyfix.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Shane  i&#8217;ve got ywriter, and it isn&#8217;t visual.  The only visual one that i saw that might work for me was liquidstorybinder.  Not that expensive, and they give you a 30 day trial with pretty much the full version iirc.  i personally go with Notepad++ (more a code editor than writing tool, but i&#8217;m used to it from my job) for all my notes along with photoshop and my cheap graphics tablet (about $50) for any mindmapping or whiteboarding, and Word or openoffice for my drafting.  Hope that helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Arthur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Patrick. I&#039;d love to have your input on that Larry. Regards,
Shane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Patrick. I&#8217;d love to have your input on that Larry. Regards,<br />
Shane</p>
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