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		<title>By: MarlaBeck</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarlaBeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Writing voice must, in effect, be earned.  Discovered.  Grown into.  It must evolve into a signature cadence and tonality, with colors and nuance that imbue it with subtle energy and a textured essence of depth and humanity. 

&quot;Effortlessly.  Simply.  Cleanly.  Without the slightest hue of purple.

&quot;There is only one way to discover it.  You must write.  Practice.  Constantly.  Intensely.  Humbly and aggressively.  And you must do it for years if that’s what it takes.  Because it refuses to be rushed. &quot;
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Great ideas, expertly addressed.  Enjoyed reading this post, Larry!

warmly,
Marla</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Writing voice must, in effect, be earned.  Discovered.  Grown into.  It must evolve into a signature cadence and tonality, with colors and nuance that imbue it with subtle energy and a textured essence of depth and humanity. </p>
<p>&#8220;Effortlessly.  Simply.  Cleanly.  Without the slightest hue of purple.</p>
<p>&#8220;There is only one way to discover it.  You must write.  Practice.  Constantly.  Intensely.  Humbly and aggressively.  And you must do it for years if that’s what it takes.  Because it refuses to be rushed. &#8221;<br />
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Great ideas, expertly addressed.  Enjoyed reading this post, Larry!</p>
<p>warmly,<br />
Marla</p>
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		<title>By: janice</title>
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		<dc:creator>janice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a wonderful post, Larry, and of all of them so far, the one that has made me saddest. It&#039;s my voice that will stop me getting published. It has a will of its own, and I&#039;m not talking about the whole organic thing. When I write my best work, it comes from a place I can&#039;t control. Fortunately, I love editing, hacking, trimming, rearranging then hacking some more, but more often than not, the result feels soul-less because I&#039;m not a natural story teller. My writing voice can sometimes be mesmeric and lead folk in, make them care, but I don&#039;t do it deliberately and most folk hate it becuse it&#039;s not lean. But neither am I. When I remove most of my voice, I remove the humanity and poetry that folk resonate with. My writing is that place where prose (probably purple) meets poetry meets ridicule and disgust. Catch 22 - and the reason I&#039;ll never be published.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a wonderful post, Larry, and of all of them so far, the one that has made me saddest. It&#8217;s my voice that will stop me getting published. It has a will of its own, and I&#8217;m not talking about the whole organic thing. When I write my best work, it comes from a place I can&#8217;t control. Fortunately, I love editing, hacking, trimming, rearranging then hacking some more, but more often than not, the result feels soul-less because I&#8217;m not a natural story teller. My writing voice can sometimes be mesmeric and lead folk in, make them care, but I don&#8217;t do it deliberately and most folk hate it becuse it&#8217;s not lean. But neither am I. When I remove most of my voice, I remove the humanity and poetry that folk resonate with. My writing is that place where prose (probably purple) meets poetry meets ridicule and disgust. Catch 22 &#8211; and the reason I&#8217;ll never be published.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poch -- sorry to hear it&#039;s confusing, let me attempt to clarify.  

Neither comes &quot;first,&quot; both writing voice and storytelling must be solid to sell a novel.  But...  the writing voice only has to &quot;good&quot; while the storytelling needs to be &quot;extraordinary.&quot;  In other words, you don&#039;t need to write like John Updike, you only need to write like John Grisham (where &quot;voice&quot; is concerned).  That&#039;s what gets you into the game.  If your voice is weak, doesn&#039;t matter how good your story is.

On the other hand, if your writing voice is strong, that&#039;s not enough to get you published.  You must tell an extraordinary story, well structured, powerful, memorable, clever and commerical enough to catch the eye of agent or editor.

Those agents and editors aren&#039;t looking for the next big &quot;voice&quot; out there.  They&#039;re looking for the next great story.

So asking &quot;which comes first&quot; is the wrong question.  You must develop both skills.  But on a scale from 1 to 10, if 6 is publishable (in comparison to what&#039;s out there), your voice only needs to be a 6, while your story needs to be a 10 or 11 to break into the business.  Once you&#039;re in and have a brand, that, too, can go back to a 6 (which is why so many of the novels you read don&#039;t seem all that good... they&#039;re not -- but for new writers, you have to be BETTER than good, story-wise, to get published... yet your voice only needs to be good, adequate, or professionally average (like Grisham, and he&#039;s the top selling author over the past 20 years).

Hope this clarifies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poch &#8212; sorry to hear it&#8217;s confusing, let me attempt to clarify.  </p>
<p>Neither comes &#8220;first,&#8221; both writing voice and storytelling must be solid to sell a novel.  But&#8230;  the writing voice only has to &#8220;good&#8221; while the storytelling needs to be &#8220;extraordinary.&#8221;  In other words, you don&#8217;t need to write like John Updike, you only need to write like John Grisham (where &#8220;voice&#8221; is concerned).  That&#8217;s what gets you into the game.  If your voice is weak, doesn&#8217;t matter how good your story is.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if your writing voice is strong, that&#8217;s not enough to get you published.  You must tell an extraordinary story, well structured, powerful, memorable, clever and commerical enough to catch the eye of agent or editor.</p>
<p>Those agents and editors aren&#8217;t looking for the next big &#8220;voice&#8221; out there.  They&#8217;re looking for the next great story.</p>
<p>So asking &#8220;which comes first&#8221; is the wrong question.  You must develop both skills.  But on a scale from 1 to 10, if 6 is publishable (in comparison to what&#8217;s out there), your voice only needs to be a 6, while your story needs to be a 10 or 11 to break into the business.  Once you&#8217;re in and have a brand, that, too, can go back to a 6 (which is why so many of the novels you read don&#8217;t seem all that good&#8230; they&#8217;re not &#8212; but for new writers, you have to be BETTER than good, story-wise, to get published&#8230; yet your voice only needs to be good, adequate, or professionally average (like Grisham, and he&#8217;s the top selling author over the past 20 years).</p>
<p>Hope this clarifies.</p>
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		<title>By: poch</title>
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		<dc:creator>poch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Your writing voice will grow into its own comfortable shoes, on its own terms and in its own time.  And once there, you will know you are home.

And then:

&#039;And then, from that point forward, it’s all about your storytelling. &#039;

&#039;That answer defines you progress along the road to publication.  It has little to do with your writing voice… it has everything to do with what you know.&#039;

This is a bit confusing Larry so please clarify for the sake of all your followers:
Which comes first- writing voice or what we know?
Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Your writing voice will grow into its own comfortable shoes, on its own terms and in its own time.  And once there, you will know you are home.</p>
<p>And then:</p>
<p>&#8216;And then, from that point forward, it’s all about your storytelling. &#8216;</p>
<p>&#8216;That answer defines you progress along the road to publication.  It has little to do with your writing voice… it has everything to do with what you know.&#8217;</p>
<p>This is a bit confusing Larry so please clarify for the sake of all your followers:<br />
Which comes first- writing voice or what we know?<br />
Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Lake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am always happiest with what I&#039;ve written when it came out easy. Pages that almost write themselves happen more frequently now that I&#039;ve been working at it for a while, but it&#039;s never the norm. I&#039;ve found that I need to &quot;warm up&quot; and put some thoughtful garbage down before anything really happens. So, I understand the relationship of effortless to good. What hinders prose, I believe, is the act of trying to make writing effortless. 

And I agree with Lori, your voice shines through, loud and clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am always happiest with what I&#8217;ve written when it came out easy. Pages that almost write themselves happen more frequently now that I&#8217;ve been working at it for a while, but it&#8217;s never the norm. I&#8217;ve found that I need to &#8220;warm up&#8221; and put some thoughtful garbage down before anything really happens. So, I understand the relationship of effortless to good. What hinders prose, I believe, is the act of trying to make writing effortless. </p>
<p>And I agree with Lori, your voice shines through, loud and clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I have found my voice. I&#039;m still needing to study the architecture aspect. There are times I know I&#039;ve got it all there and where it needs to be, but up to now it has been serendipity. I really want and need to know the terms and methodology of writing a story that sells.

Thank you for sharing in your concise manner.

Sandra</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I have found my voice. I&#8217;m still needing to study the architecture aspect. There are times I know I&#8217;ve got it all there and where it needs to be, but up to now it has been serendipity. I really want and need to know the terms and methodology of writing a story that sells.</p>
<p>Thank you for sharing in your concise manner.</p>
<p>Sandra</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 14:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lori -- thank you, a nice comment to awaken to.  I tried to walk the walk with this on... notice how few adjectives are found here, yet I hope you agree the voice is, well, effective.  

One way we develop our writing voice is to notice the voice of other writers.  Those we like, those we don&#039;t.

Shirls -- I empathize.  Been there.  Have you considered a radical shift? Say, trying first person if its third that&#039;s confounding you?  That worked for me, I&#039;m almost exclusively first person these days, it was like a complete voice makeover.

Also, pay attention to the voices of writers you like and read often.  There&#039;s a reason you do.  Their voices resonate with you, which could mean you are one of them.

Another thought: get feedback on it.  It may be cleaner than you think it is.  And/or, you may learn specifically what muddies it up.

Best advice: keep reading, keep writing.  Pay attention to what it is about your voice that troubles you, and put that awareness in the forefront of your mind, and in context to what you know you like to read in others.

Over time, your voice will evolve.  Guaranteed.  Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lori &#8212; thank you, a nice comment to awaken to.  I tried to walk the walk with this on&#8230; notice how few adjectives are found here, yet I hope you agree the voice is, well, effective.  </p>
<p>One way we develop our writing voice is to notice the voice of other writers.  Those we like, those we don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Shirls &#8212; I empathize.  Been there.  Have you considered a radical shift? Say, trying first person if its third that&#8217;s confounding you?  That worked for me, I&#8217;m almost exclusively first person these days, it was like a complete voice makeover.</p>
<p>Also, pay attention to the voices of writers you like and read often.  There&#8217;s a reason you do.  Their voices resonate with you, which could mean you are one of them.</p>
<p>Another thought: get feedback on it.  It may be cleaner than you think it is.  And/or, you may learn specifically what muddies it up.</p>
<p>Best advice: keep reading, keep writing.  Pay attention to what it is about your voice that troubles you, and put that awareness in the forefront of your mind, and in context to what you know you like to read in others.</p>
<p>Over time, your voice will evolve.  Guaranteed.  Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Shirls</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shirls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 12:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry, this is probably a daft question, but what about writers who are inhibited by the sound of their own writing voices? When reading what they have written plunges them into despair because the pure, lucid prose comes out muddy and artificial? Like you know how the song should sound in your head, but when you try to sing it, it comes out as a tuneless croak?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry, this is probably a daft question, but what about writers who are inhibited by the sound of their own writing voices? When reading what they have written plunges them into despair because the pure, lucid prose comes out muddy and artificial? Like you know how the song should sound in your head, but when you try to sing it, it comes out as a tuneless croak?</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Larry,

Once again you&#039;ve constructed a compelling article for us, thank you! What I find paradoxical about this topic is that you are writing about writing voice in your signature, real, and brawny writing voice - using your own voice as an example for us. That&#039;s deep.

This post is also a great example to demonstrate the unique challenges of the writing craft,
  
&lt;i&gt;&quot;But we, as writers, are alone with all dimensions of our craft.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;  

Great stuff, Larry. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Larry,</p>
<p>Once again you&#8217;ve constructed a compelling article for us, thank you! What I find paradoxical about this topic is that you are writing about writing voice in your signature, real, and brawny writing voice &#8211; using your own voice as an example for us. That&#8217;s deep.</p>
<p>This post is also a great example to demonstrate the unique challenges of the writing craft,</p>
<p><i>&#8220;But we, as writers, are alone with all dimensions of our craft.&#8221;</i>  </p>
<p>Great stuff, Larry. <img src='http://storyfix.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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